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I can actually see that. It's still fd up IMO. Just another way to get money.

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For whom? Insurance companies? Probably which is why its not a perfect bill but were in a political time where the American Public has gotten progressively more stupid and you have one party in the Republicans who have no urge to do any governance so this was the best you could get you have to start somewhere. You can't keep a system where people go to hospitals for treatement and never pay, where Insurance companies could deny you coverage because your wife got pregnate at some point in her life, or deny children healthcare because an Insurance Company wants to save money. The system isn't perfect by any stretch which why we still have for profit Insurance and for that matter banking companies makes no sense but again its better to at least put a stone down.

i run up about 5 to 6 million a year in publicly funded healthcare. i go to the hospital to have them scratch my balls and it is thousands of dollars a day.

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I dunno, I don't have health insurance and I never get sick or injured. I just hope this "affordable" health care isn't too much of a pain in the ass to pay for. Then again, knowing this current government, it will be.

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Just to point out its very unlikely you will ever be charged if you choose not to get healthcare go read the bill which makes the fact that this reached all the way here for a Mandate that if you really read isn't even a huge mandate

It's a broken wheel far from being fixed as is... now it's a broken square once this all passes. My wife got pregnant and I tried hard to add her to my policy and every other I could come across. I could afford it but noone would take her based on preexcisting... So the state of tn flipped the bill. Kinda crap IMO since I was capable and more than willing to buy a policy, and no doc would take us based on I'm good for the cost. The gov has turned into a vicious industry much like the open market. They are pretty much all curroupt except for poor looney Ron paul. I don't put any faith into any politician in this day and age. And I don't stress about an argument too far gone. Let it fall as it will and sort it out as it may.

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Ron Paul for all his bullshit does actually collect Social Security

Regardless this bill is supposed to prevent that which now that all this bullshit is finally done will be more likely to prevent. However Like I said this bill is far from being the best it could be but as I stated thanks to the stupidity of this Country everything has to be a long drawnout fight

Well since we are determined to talk about this...

Our major problem is we look at health care as something that should be a "for-profit" enterprise... It absolutely should not.

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From what I've read if you don't get health insurance then you'll be "taxed" in the thousands for it.Too huge of a mandate for me.Its a broken healthcare system and some whats in this is good,but not sure a mandate and is the way to go but hard to convince people the rest of what he has will work without the mandate.

Your not getting an argument from me, thats the problem with a lot of the institutions in America. Why we got to the point that medicine became about money is mind boggling

read by what and whom? That penalty which is now a tax(or always was) there is a clause in the bill that all but says





You also take into account who's going to actually inforce this program in terms of the penalties? 1 in 20 people are acctually subject to fine and thats after the subsidies and some exceptions and from what I'm reading the penalty is around a few hundred dollars and if you take into account how people don't get insurance can drive other people who do have insurance's Preminums kinda deserve it

Heres a random article I googled out from today.

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From this I would imagine it'll be the IRS who will be enforcing it since it'll be a required payment to them.

Well i'm telling you whats in the actual bill, there is a clause that if you don't pay it there is no real penalty for it, as for the thousand or so dollars again if your jacking up healthcare rates for everyone else because your refusing to get insurance than its hard to feel sorry for you when you get charged

Starting in 2016, the maximum penalty that could be assessed for not purchasing health insurance is 2.5% of your income.

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and eh, again if your effected why aren't you buying insurance?

Still profit for the GOP and why?

On top of that pharmaceutical co have a big reign on it all... maybe for good reason since we USA tend to cure things quicker than other countries but again why do pharmaceuticals end up with massive gov grants to go along with their massive profits as is?

I'm torn a bit as to if I created the cure for aids what should I expect financially... 100 dollars or 100 billion...

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Bingo. Always good to see someone who's fully awake.

It's unconstitutional for the government to make you buy anything. For congress to say otherwise is treasonous. It has less to do with healthcare as it has to do with growing government. Its the cold truth of the whole thing. This is not how you fix health care. I mean whats next? Maybe the government will force people to buy gym memberships too, since that would help everyone be healthier...

People want the Gov't to be their daddy & fix everything but they just muddle in peoples lives & destroy destroy destroy. Socialized medicine will drive down & lower the quality of care. Many doctors have flat out said they wont accept this low ball insurance putting there licenses in jeopardy.

The insurance companies wrote the damn bill with Obama/Romney & others selling the deception to the public. The Democratic & Republican parties are compromised & do the mega banks/corporations bidding. Acquire maximum wealth no matter who gets destroyed in the process.

Socialize everything & keep people from amassing any real wealth (so you wouldn't need this nanny state system to begin with) Globalist want you to be a good little slave & die. I could go on but that sums it up best. That sounds like madness to the un or ill informed but its the truth. Mainstream news is a deceptive joke that sells the narrative.

This is good site if you don't know where to start. http://www.infowars.com
Turn off the CNN / FOX news bullshit that keeps everyone infighting on points of view & trivial nonsense.

Research & study histroy!...& watch a little wrestling

You pay your taxes don't you?

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THat is not remotely true and blind stupidity to think so. Your forced to get Car insurance aren't you? ther is very little difference and they aren't forcing you to get health insurance their forcing you to pay a tax if you choose not to and Sorry Rand Paul the Supreme Court deemed that legal and they are what decides what is constitutional and not.

Overall its good for those sick, but still pretty costy.I know a guy thats a healthy young male and the cheapest plan he could find was 200 a month and that they'd only cover half of the bill leaving him with the other half.Sadly from what I've read it seems its going to make healthcare cost for the healthy rise even more,although it will be a good benefit for aging baby boomers and closing up that doughnut loophole for medicaid.

Whether you agree with the Law or not I think everyone can agree CNN and FOX News should be embarrassed after announcing it was unconstitutional cause they were too lazy to flip the fucking page

I'm not sure I believe that because I did a search last night for someone who was 26 and single and for good coverage (not great) it was $88/mo. Now, there are other factors involved such as the state you live in or if you smoke, that could alter that.

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I don't know if its good for the Sick or not. Im really not anywhere near as smart as you guys are, obviosly when it comes to all this goverment stuff. All i know is at Hospice were going to be expected to deliver a higher standard of care, which is awesome. Unfortunatly were going to have to do it on half the payroll. Or so everyone is saying. I dont know if anyone knows exactly how this is all going to shake down to us. But i do know the basics. If we have to stay with each patient longer, and there are less of us, someone isnt going to be taken care of properly. There are only so many hours in the day. And only so many people to do the work. Once you get a crew down to a skeleton crew, then heaven forbid an RN gets sick. If everything happens the way they say it will, its going to suck alot, for people that work in Hospice.

Most of Obama's campaign money in 2007 and 2008 came directly from Goldman Sachs and Health Care companies. He was never going to support a Single Payer or Public Option, which sucks, but speaks to why we need campaign finance reform in this country. Sadly, that's not going to happen anytime soon since Congress has to make a bill and vote on it.... both of which they aren't likely to do. As a progressive liberal, I've supported a Single Payer system for well over a decade. Seems only logical for everyone.

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Just a kind of funny old video to look back on with the mandate just getting passed as a "tax".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bg-ofjXrXio





Some videos of Candidate Barrack Obama with a different view back when he opposed a mandate even mentioning how people were worse off with not being able to afford health insurance and even worse now that they're having to pay a fine.