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You are a complete fucking moron, if 111 million people are able to watch the Superbowl then at least a tenth is able to watch Raw on a weekly basis. I don't care about whether you rip TNA what I hate is the fact you'd rather read someone elses opinions on the product and make your judgment than watching the product for yourself and making a judgment based on viewing, what I also hate is the fact you can't distinguish between opinion and business, Disaster Movie which was absolutely atrocious, it made money despite many peoples opinion being it was a shit movie, that's not an opinion its an assertion of business in your mind since the movie made $14 million. Take CM Punk as another example you're opinion is irrelevant WWE made $400 million in 2011, it's fact that he's great the numbers prove it.

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This IS hilarious…

Well, seeing as how XT brought my name up several times here (without quoting me, thereby nullifying every claim made and making this whole desperate argument even more entertaining), I guess it gives me the right to point at least one thing out… And it’s just one thing because that’s all that really needs to be said…

Quite the generalization, isn’t it? But the true irony is that it describes XT to a tee. And that’s not a lame and ineffective over-generalization like his because instead of talking about an entire group of people that he doesn't agree with because he lacks the ability to debate rationally, I’m just using it to describe one person… XT…

And, XT, you’ve managed to provide the clearest example of this with your whole Nexus voting argument… Jack went back, found the votes, and proved that the same people didn’t vote for best and worst. Pretty clear cut… Yet, how did you respond:

...and...

Talk about over reactive and lack of perspective… You can’t even concede that you were wrong in the face of straight-up facts. And “1 or 2” is “still a group of people” that makes up an accurate “representation of the people who took the poll”?... WHAT???... I’d ask if you were out of your mind, if you ever took any classes on or studied things like statistics or polling, but I know the answers to all of that and why you feel you have to type such gibberish…

Well done… The spectacular-ness of your fail is awe-inspiring…

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I think I would prefer it if I never knew who was writing the shows.

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Hogan used to get Best Wrestler (or Draw or whatever) and Most Hated Wrestler for WON awards all the time...

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Taso's Top 8 Wrestling Watch List

1. 1946~1972-Rikidozan & JWA
2. 82-83 WRESTLING OLYMPIC AUDITORIUM
3. Hustle XMas '07
4. Stampede Wrestling '61
5. TWA Autumn Armageddon '91
6. IWCCW DvD3
7. Ric Flair in Portland
8. TWA Summer Sizzler 1990

That said I do enjoy hearing an ex-WWE writer in an interview. You always get some crazy stories.

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That is true... I guess I will amend that to, I'd prefer to never know who is writing the shows as they are writing it.

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Okay so their number one star isn't their number one heel even though the character is a heel? and that #1 heel is a 40 year old former WWE/ECW star. Shouldn't that be a huge sign that there is a problem? You also can't tell me who's their clear cut number one face and Austin Aries who is now in his third run with TNA is the future and I'll admit it I have no idea who the fuck Anthony Neese is and no if your a promotion and you have no idea where your going there is a HUGE Problem with your company

I'm not even getting into the superbowl thing caues thats just a retarded argument. As for me AFro again I watched TNA for 7 solid years week in and week out and I stopped because the product was HORRIBLE and was getting worst. When they came back on Mondays I started giving them another shot and again they dropped the ball. So I haven't watched besides a few segments over the past year. please tell me in that how I didn't give TNA a chance. Please I would love to hear that logic.

The CM Punk thing you clearly can't seperate me saying why I dislike the character and me using busienss numbers to make another point. So again your an idiot.



Well first speaking of Exhibit A of my point we Vann who you knew would respond not to attacks on him but once again attacking me. Look I made my point I'm sure there were multiple people who said It was the worst and best of the year and one is one too many. TWO its a poll of people who said it was the best and worst of the year and when you take into account the fact that was 1 response out of 10 by the way and that it was to respond to Afro as to why I don't take the internet's opinion seriously it makes my point. Why would I take a group of people seriously when in one poll whether it be 200 or 10 it was considered the best and worst storyline of the year. It doesn't matter if it was the same people or if it is becuase that is just a group of people who are so confused that they considered something that something was two extremes.



and I've stated multiple tiems that the WON awards are dumb.



and thats a good point becaue I think wrestling is good when people don't know who is booking or better yet care. If you don't notice sometihgn is so bad than it doesn't matter who's booking.

I don't have to respond to your unprovoked attacks here. You proved your "lack of perspective" in the threads you're referring to, which is why you're not quoting from them... I get it...

And to say that if one person in an entire group says one thing, that it applies to everyone in that group even when none of the rest said it, is beyond any level of rational thought... There's not one way that could ever be made to even resemble a logical argument... Way to dig that hole deeper...

Spectacular...

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Exactly why I didn't want to answer your stupid questions. Like I said it didn't matter who I put down you would trash them. Of course you don't know who Anthony Neese is, you don't watch TNA so I don't even know why you always have to trash us who do. Or ask me to answer questions. And for Bully Ray, he is in the best shape of his life at 40 and is cutting great promos with great in-ring work, and it after the title. Your top heel can be your top star going for the title WWE does it all the time. but you don't watch TNA so why do you even care.

And please tell me where WWE is going. Because nobody knows, nobody knows what could happen. You could lose writers, sponsors, TV deals, and tons more risks come with running a company. I know I run a company and any company could close its doors at any time ANY COMPANY is vulnerable to economy and it's changes.

Fact is you are just too closed minded and too much of a " know it all prick" to even have an actual conversation with. You hate TNA we get it, enough already. Leave us who watch TNA to do so without your uneducated asinine opinions.

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I made a good point

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I'm sitting back and enjoying XT dig himself into the largest ditch I've seen on this board. Even when presented with facts and clear arguments, he finds a way to twist logic, which in turn, becomes illogical statements from him. If we were both standing in the same area somewhere in earth and I stated that the sky was blue, XT would find a way to call me an idiot and before you know it, he would present a thesis (similar to the several he has presented here) on why he believes the sky is green.

Moreover, we've been through this before. As Afro mentioned, I don't like to discuss profit margins and revenue streams when it comes to professional wrestling, but I do make exceptions every now and then. Normally, I chime in when XT makes stupid economic statements that I can bare looking at no longer. There is a difference between revenue and profit. XT, you have still yet to understand that. I commend you on discussing revenue, but that is not what they made in 2011. Really, there was no need for you to even mention this in a thread relating to TNA, but I will comply. It was just another way for you to change the subject to fit your opinion, and you even failed to do that accurately.

The WWE were not profiting 400 million in 2011. That was their revenue. For anyone that wants to discuss economics, keep in mind that revenue is not the same as net income (profit). You have to take into account expenses. Despite mentioning that the company's revenue was 400 million, XT failed to mention the entire story, and continued to use his poor understanding of economics in attempt to validate his inaccurate and comical rant within this thread. Thus, digging his hole even deeper.

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Yeah I made my point with the whole Award thing I'm not going to keep repeating myself so if you can't understand why I would look down at people for that than thats your problem. Of course though I wouldn't want to have to justify trying to claim Video Evidence proves nothing and that wrestlers have no responsibility for their own actions either if I was claiming things that stupid.



Spec seriously If you guys can't seperate two fucking arguments than who's the dumb ass you or me? CM Punk is the perfect example
1) I attack the character for being unlikable and weak in the ring as a face thats a wrestling opinion

2) Bring up the fact that CM Punk has been champion for six straight pay per views that saw drops in buyrates is an example of the fact that as much as you guys are claiming he's well liked that he's just not. That is using money and figures to back up my point.

There is two fucking arguments and of course you don't want to talk about money since the last time you did with Ric Flair you had a huge article come out that basically proved your a delusional idiot


1) I didn't trash anyone and what did I say that isn't a reasonable point?

2) 90% of this thread has been you saying i should talk about what I'm not watching and I didn't so now your complaining that I"m not watching Anthony Neese and I some how by saying have no idea who the fuck that even is, is some how an attack on you?

3)Again him being 40 is they are putting a lot of time investing in a guy who's all but done in probably four years and is some how your top heel when your top superstar is a heel. That makes no sense

4) Where WWE going? Okay well lets see Wrestlemania John Cena will finish his feud with Kane at Elimination Chamber, and take the embrace the heat stuff to help lay the ground work for the next 8 weeks of television. CM Punk or Chris Jericho will win the Chamber so they can do a Punk vs. Jericho feud at wrestlemania, Daniel Bryan will likely squeak out another victory at the Chamber so he can run with Sheamus at Wrestlemania 28. I could keep going but i think you get my point. There seems to be a rhyme and reason for everything WWE does, TNA I can't and rarely ever could say that.

Okay so I hate TNA because I ask you valid questions about the product? Hell most of this thread you've bounced around on attacks without being able to nail any of them down. Werent you trying to argue with me about Russo 2 days ago and now its another thirng and I"m sure soon it will be others. Just admit your a TNA mark and you don't have the ability to defend them so your attacking me.

XT, you just twisted that whole thing around. You say who did you trash, every name I said you had your little say.

It's you who can't separate points because there are so many people disagreeing with you.

Plain and simple, if you don't watch the current product shut the fuck up. Are you really to hardheaded to understand that? If you are I'll post pictures to help you.

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XT, no one made you type all of that stupidity.

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Thats not trashing them though that is pointing out a flaw in a product. Saying its bad that TNA's top star who's a heel isn't even their number one heel. Its bad you can't say what direction TNA is going. Thats not trashing them thats point out facts and flaws with the product.

Also Again what did I say that I would need to see the show for? ALso I've probably watched TNA more than you ever have. Also I did post a list where 9 of the things I posted had this board disagreeing with me but in the long run I ended up not only be right but people who disagreed with me ended up looking like a dumb ass.

Speaking of which Spec Sun I have no idea what that response is towards but again two seperate points about money and opinion and you can't seem to understand there is a difference.

Like I've said you are useless to argue with. It must be so nice to live in your own little world where you can twist what all of us say and somehow make yourself think you are right.

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Yeah Box, this has been highly entertaining to read. I think most of us have said our peace here...... used logic and facts, but even that has been reconstructed into some untruth. It's XT who keeps twisting things around into more nonsense. I have agreed with the man several times on things, and he finds a way to still argue.

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Boxman don't get your panties in a bunch because your idiot. I didn't twist anyting you complained that I should knock TNA when nothing I said about TNA had ANYTHING to do with actually watching the show. Again you can't defend them so your poorly attacking me to avoid facing facts.

and Spec again your running from reality you started talking about me talking about Money and I explained that I"m using two seperate arguments to make a point and now your again trying to turn this on me. Also avoiding the multiple previous times you were proven wrong which is HYSTERICAL in itself but don't give me this shit. Also no one asked you in the first place so why you felt a need to give your peace is beyond me.

Why you feel the need to continue burying yourself has entertained each of us.

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XT finally found a board that hasn't banned him.

And you have only proved any of us wrong (pardon the pun) in your head. Because we aren't arguing you are. Your need to have that last word is mind boggling.

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First I've only been banned by one message board and that was a message board that literally was dead weeks later

and Spec i'm burying myself again this isn't wrestling, and so far you've been unable to answer for making horrid perdictions, couldn't seperate the difference between wrestling points and financial backing of points, and got involved in a debate that was never about you in the first place besides the TNA part of it which you ran away from again.

and your not arguing you've just made at least 25 post responding to me and Spec has probably made about 15 responding to me. yeah thats not arguing thats just......well I have no idea

But WWE made all this money so I can say he's great because your opinion on this issue is irrelevant.

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Yes, please don't keep repeating yourself because the whole "if one person votes this way then everyone thinks the same way" thing is easily the worst "point" I've ever seen you make...

And this just makes no sense whatsoever...





Oh, and by the way...
... if you're gonna use something like "CM Punk has been champion for six straight pay per views that saw drops in buyrates" to back up your point, you might want to actually check to see if that's a factual statement, because if you look at the last six PPVs that had buyrates reported you'll find:

SummerSlam ’11 – Punk was co-champion w/ Cena
Night of Champions ’11 – Punk was not champion (faced HHH in Main Event)
Hell in a Cell ’11 – Punk was not champion, but challenged for the title (Champion was Cena, faced Cena & Alberto in main event)
Vengeance ’11 – Punk was not champion (Cena vs Del Rio was the main event)
Survivor Series ’11 – Punk was not champion, but challenged for title (Rock/Cena vs Awesome Truth was the Main Event)
TLC ’11 – Punk was champion (faced Miz & Del Rio in main event)

Only two PPVs as champ, and one of those was as co-champ, so you were 66% wrong in your statement… Using stuff like that to "back up your point" makes it very hard to give credence to anything you say...

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This is hilarious.

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