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I don't think the show was that bad. Though thanks to advance warning from the board, i fast forwarded through most the big show stuff. I liked alot of the show though. I like your reports alot.

Yeah I've probably seen worse shows, but this show has to be up there as far as being a poor show. HHH's counterproductive comments on Lesnar. The campy Johnny Ace stuff(from his promos, to him laughing while Cena is mocking him). And the overall tone of the show.

I've done 3 of these reports so far. And when you really break down the content of the show, you really start having a clearer understanding of what WWE is and what TNA is. With WWE you can tell they have no respect for their audience's intelligence at all. The dialogue is all over the top and heavy handed. I will say it is paced better than TNA though.

Well the WWE is a more family program. I really thought the Funkasauros stuff was great, getting the kids in there. The WWE does not cater to smart marks. Also this HHH burying Lesnar stuff would be more valid, if Brock really was fired. This is all part of a work shoot storyline. And Hunter is simply playing the part of hunter.

I mean Brock beat HHH like a little girl, broke his arm(in story). Beat the holy hell out of John Cena, busted his face all up and his arm. Hes pretty much unstopable. I think it adds a sense of realism that he's not there. If he was, and just randomally criplling everyone, it would get old fast. Now when he comes out, its like "somone is about to get fucked up".

You are 100% correct on both points.

The problem with treating your audience like stupid children though, is eventually your audience will be mostly stupid children. Now if WWE treated it's audience as if it consisted of more intelligent people, it's doubtful advertisers would be more inclined to advertise on WWE programming, but it's doubtful it would hurt anything.

As for HHH's comments. I think there is a difference between building a feud and devaluing your opponent. With HHH, I think he crossed that line with his comments towards Lesnar. Also more important than that, HHH really didn't sell Brock as a threat, he sold him as a overhyped stupid farm boy who quits everything. Again I don't see how that's helping Lesnar's character or helping to build the storyline. But as you pointed out, it is a part of the storyline, and you have to wait and see.

He sold him as a threat by letting him beat the crap out of him and break his arm. HHH could have said "uh no im going to Hulk up and Pedigree him." He could have, but he didnt want to bury him. His character is a sarcastic jerk. Probably how he is in RL i don't know. But if HHH's 10 minutes of dialogue buries Brock after brock beats the shit out of him, and Cena, then nothing could have gotten him over to begin with.

I mean sure he made fun of him. He made fun of him with a Giant cast on his arm. That's the sell.

I thought Raw was the shits outside of the first angle with Heyman and Triple H, Over The Limit will be lucky to break 180,000 buys

That last segment was the worst I've seen since RAW debuted in 1993. It was brutal. The show was just the shits. There's really no other way to describe it unless one would like to be cleaver.

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Yeah I haven't really thought about this show in a historical sense, but you may definitely be right about this show ranking up there as far as bad shows go Spec.

Especially as you noted the final segment. The whole Jim Carrey routine that Cena started doing was one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen the top guy of a promotion do.

Another awesome review BTW Mak! I'm really enjoying these commentaries. Good stuff!

As for the show, yeah, I thought about it a little after the show and I really felt that this ranks up there as the worst if not close to it. I was even more disappointed with myself for the ill treatment of my remote. I should have pressed the channel arrows more often last night, during the final segment especially.

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Thanks for the review. As someone who doesn't care for the wwe, it cements my decisions to work Monday nights and not watch their crap.

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Seriously while I was not overly enjoying the last segment between Cena and Ace if you think thats the worst segment every your a fucking reactionary moron

Well...... I'm a revolutionary moron then. I stand by what I stated...... one of the worst if not THE worst.

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Until Spec framed the episode in a historical sense, I never really thought how bad the show was compared to other shows. But once you start trying to think of a worse, or try to think of a more non redeeming segment as you got with the Cena one, I'm hard pressed to think of one. Especially if you factor in the segment was the main event program on the go home show to the PPV.

You had Cena acting like Jim Carrey. You had Johnny Ace laughing during the "skit". You had Cena patronize the crowd with bringing up successful sports teams in Pittsburgh. And you had the sense the audience was laughing because of the environment it was in, and it was more of a pity response. Like how a bad stand up comic can get some laughs even with bad material if the audience he's playing to is drunk enough.

Then you had Big Show made a complete fool of. Which ultimately won't matter b/c WWE has created an environment where little does. It was like taking the engine out of a sports car, so your station wagon would be faster. That's what I thought of devaluing Big Show to build Johnny Ace.

Then the HHH promo where he completely buried Lesnar. To the point he called him a simpleton farm boy. It came across as WWE being bitter, and wanted to "get their win back", only problem is your again devaluing your investment to add to something that won't help you out at all.

The segment went about 10 minutes too long. It started to get uncomfortable to watch after too long.

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I'm not defending the segment but again its not even in the ball park for the worst segments ever

Yeah Sammy the she male and Katie Vick come to mind without thinking

Mae Young and the Hand incident. It was a bad finish that ran like Big show's storyline did but worst ever? come on thats just being reactionary

I just said it went too long, I never said it was the worst ever.

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Why is this a controversy... The segment was horrible, and it wasn't Big Johnny's fault.

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