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Lesnar is right now in a legal battle with Triple H according to storyline I'd expect to see him around July just because they didn't want to waste his dates with may and June which are historically slow

So the bad ratings this week weren't because of Punk it was because May and June are historically slow, thanks for the correction.

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I never said the bad ratings are just one person's fault in the first place. This week as I've said had more to do with History Channel's special doing record breaking numbers, playoff games, and the fact it was an actual Holiday which all Wrestling shows usually take a hit on. My point was punk as champion hasn't been cutting the mustard but yes May and June have been pretty slow past couple of years

Yes, I remember very, very clearly what happened with the booking after SummerSlam and it's absolutely no surprise why things took a dip...

And you're right, the midcard feuds have been pretty forgetful...

What's frustrating is that they don't go all the way with the guy, nor do they pull the trigger and try to change things up with that title... I mean, until he's truly positioned as the "top dog" for more than a week, no one can definitively say he can't cut it... But over this entire reign he's never been presented as anything but that guy with one of those two supposedly important titles that usually wrestles half way thru Raw. And that goes for anyone they try to push on top, not just Punk...

But in the end, suggesting Punk is a factor in the ratings now, where he's at, is not too far off from saying Dolph Ziggler is also a factor... Neither are the main focus. Each week, the WWE tells us what they think that we should think is truly important on the show, and those guys - right or wrong - aren't really part of the equation...

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it has been a steady decline since they took the tag belts off of Primo and the other guy

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If the Champion can't carry the load he should be a transitional champ to put it on someone who can. As I have stated before, I don't watch wwe programming regularly. When I have watched it over the past couple of years, I'm usually bored to tears regardless who the champion is. The lone exception was Punk last summer which I actually enjoyed. Haven't watched much of this run as my work load has intensified over the last several months. My point is, was, and continues to be back in the day, the belt seemed to be important as far as booking and the like. To book whomever has the belt in a mid card position is just stupid.

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Look I think its a little over agressive to say he was never position as the top star of the brand. I'd say from November to about Early February he was clearly your main push and if your objective you would say probably Summerslam he had most of the promo time, and television time. Even past Cena I'd say. Now the past 3 months you could say he wasn't but like I said I think that has to do with the Jericho feud flopping and Daniel Bryan vs. CM Punk feud only a few weeks to build so they knocked down the card and I will say I"m actually interested in Kane, Danielson, and punk's little storyline with AJ over the title. Its been his most interesting feud

Well, it would be overly aggressive to say that he was never positioned on top of the brand, if that had actually been what I said. I've actually only been talking about his current reign. Clearly, he and Cena were the main focus for about six weeks last summer, but I wasn't talking about that if you look over my comments... And I would disagree that he was the main push from Nov to early Feb because as soon as Kane returned in early Dec, Cena/Kane was without a doubt the main focus and Punk was immediately in the middle...

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Well I'd have to go back and look at results and stuff because honestly I don't even remeber what the hell CM Punk was doing in January

The product has been very weak since Extreme Rules, but there are more underlying problems to consider that have plagued the company for years..... most of which have been mentioned already. The devaluing of the WWE Championship..... the confusion of who really is the top guy (2 top champions... no definite top belt and John Cena in the main event storylines).... an unrecognizable mid-card.... the most inept use of tag teams in decades... too much Johnny Ace..... no captivating storylines...... misused characters.... and a bunch of guys that just not that good in their given roles (looking at Tensai). There just doesn't seem to be any good focus and upside to the shows. I really hope they decide to have only one top champion and one mid-carder. I think that can help in placing the importance back on each division and generating some much needed stability to RAW and Smackdown.

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Look lets live in reality seriously John Cena is and probably is going to be the top guy until he retires that is not in question and if someone thought he wasn't than you have no idea what Wrestling was over the years. John Cena is treated no different than Austin or Hogan were when they didn't have the title. Austin vs. McMahon main evented over Rock vs. Foley and so on an so forth. Its delousional to pretend it didn't happen.

Midcard is bad but the tag team titles are irrelevant and have been for over a decade and that has more to do with the wrestlers than the way their booked. The wrestlers don't want to be in Tag Teams anymore and quiet frankly there isn't abundance of evdience that they draw anymore. As for Ace again just like Vickie he's a heat magnet, the guy is disliked you use him to build heat just like Vince McMahon

As for Tensai that was just bad luck, they worked for years to bring him back to WWE and they did and it failed misseribly that basically sums it up, However just like Sin Cara it happens it has very little to do with WWE's use or placement of him.

The reality is WWE's problems have little to do with the titles and to say that is a huge reason is just stupid. Right now its the Summer which is a HGUE reason why the quality has been so bad because prior to the past two years the Summer months especially on Raw's side have been pretty lackluster because its that Wrestlemania Cruise control till Summerslam. Regardless I really don't see why having one world title would suddenly make CM Punk more interesting or Sheamus more interesting.

Look lets live in reality seriously John Cena is and probably is going to be the top guy until he retires that is not in question and if someone thought he wasn't than you have no idea what Wrestling was over the years. John Cena is treated no different than Austin or Hogan were when they didn't have the title. Austin vs. McMahon main evented over Rock vs. Foley and so on an so forth. Its delousional to pretend it didn't happen.

Midcard is bad but the tag team titles are irrelevant and have been for over a decade and that has more to do with the wrestlers than the way their booked. The wrestlers don't want to be in Tag Teams anymore and quiet frankly there isn't abundance of evdience that they draw anymore. As for Ace again just like Vickie he's a heat magnet, the guy is disliked you use him to build heat just like Vince McMahon

As for Tensai that was just bad luck, they worked for years to bring him back to WWE and they did and it failed misseribly that basically sums it up, However just like Sin Cara it happens it has very little to do with WWE's use or placement of him.

The reality is WWE's problems have little to do with the titles and to say that is a huge reason is just stupid. Right now its the Summer which is a HGUE reason why the quality has been so bad because prior to the past two years the Summer months especially on Raw's side have been pretty lackluster because its that Wrestlemania Cruise control till Summerslam. Regardless I really don't see why having one world title would suddenly make CM Punk more interesting or Sheamus more interesting.