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- Word is that Brock Lesnar won't wrestle again until the Survivor Series pay-per-view in November. Lesnar still has plenty of dates left on his contract.

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If his remaining matches are any indication of what I saw last night at SummerSlam, then I don't think he will do well at all. He and Triple H were blown up after the first minute, and it was lacking any heat until the last two minutes. Keeping him off TV for an extended time isn't helping matters.

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With the whole MMA feel, I see this leading to Taker vs Brock at Mania. And I was surprised Cole mentioned Brock's "stomach problems" as he said it. It just wasn't something i'd expect WWE to mention.

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I just don't think people care about Lesnar anymore

Why is everyone shitting on Lesnar? Lesnar vs Cena was amazing, and that's not because Cena is a Shawn Michaels-esque worker, either. It was because Brock was Brock; a dominant, ass kicking bastard. They made Triple H to be on par with Lesnar as a brawler, which is just laughable. They gave HHH too much offense.

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Triple H always gotta look good i think they should let Brock dominate him like his return at the one Summerslam where he squashed Booker T which was stupid as fuck.Also i do think the Cena/Brock match was great.Although i cant stand Brock i think he deserves as much credit not more than Cena for that
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People are shitting on him because he's a guy who was around in 2002 to 2004 had okay run but WAY overrated run including that disaster of a Wrestlemania main events with Goldberg and Angle and he goes to UFC who basically ripped off WWE by grabbing him and promtoing him well which is fine, and now he comes back barely shows up, doesn't wrestler, doesn't talk, and yet a lot of time and energy is pushed his way. FUCK HIM!

Lesnar is not that big of a star, his UFC crowd clearly hasn't crossed over with him, and I think he's hurting the product

I dont think many people here are shitting on Brock...Pretty much everyone in chat has marked out for him since he came back, its just that the booking has been horrible ..Having him job to Cena right off the bat, hiding behind a lawyer to avoid a match with HHH...then the match with HHH didnt live up to the Cena match, but I thought it was still pretty good.. I didnt expect a great match with HHH anyway.

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The problem with Brock is how do you push him though. He runs through Cena and then disapears for 5 months? Thats a horrible idea. Its a catch 22

Rock beat Cena and disappeared longer than that..It will have been 9 months when Rock wrestles again at the Rumble..

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The Rock is shown as an attraction not a regular everyday wrestler, Lesnar was being booked as an everyday wrestler

Lesnar is being booked as a guy who comes in now and then and kicks ass (not wrestle) which is the whole MMA thing. If they booked him as an everyday wrestler, he would have signed a full time contract, he didn't do that.

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I think there is a huge gap between The Rock and Brock. I dont think he was booked poorly. I do think putting him in the ring with Hunter, who rises to his opponents, wasnt the best idea. One guy hasnt wrestled since The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. The other guy needed someone who had more. I dont know what i would have done diferently, its really easy to arm chair book sometimes.

I will be the first to admit that Triple H was a horrible decision, but this feud lost momentum because their was points they wouldn't even mention it. You can't book a wrestling show like that in 2012.

THe Rock is a much bigger star than Lesnar so him not being around is not the same thing

Its not rocket science booking Lesnar..You have him kill guys ,then beat him at Mania with whomever you have in mind for that. Booking him against Cena right off the bat was probably a bad idea. But you simply cant book him like a regular guy, when everybody knows he would legit kill anyone on the roster. I mean, the minute the guy walks through the curtain he automatically stands out from everyone else on the show.

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that standing out has accomplished what exactly? See the reason they are paying for Heyman right nowis because Lesnar can't carry himself alone as a character. Again LEsnar really is a catch 22 and don't give me this everyone knows he'd kill everyone bullshit because if you did than why are you watching? Your arm chair booking about something that didn't happen

I'm saying what did happened was flawed but a lot of that had to do with the fact Lesnar didn't carry over his UFC pay per view audience, and he's not around enough to keep momentum in these feuds

They brought Heyman in, b/c Brock's promos suck, thats no surprise, he was never good on the mic..Who cares.. Heyman also happens to cut a better promo than everybody on the roster as well.

The buyrate for Extreme Rules with Brock-Cena was up 50,000 from the year before.. The RAW episodes when Brock initially came back had a good jump in ratings as well..So there goes that argument.

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Brock was never announced for his inital comeback and while 50,000 is nice its not overly impressive considering he was doing a hell of a lot more in his UFC runs, his first month worked but then reality set in of you can't have him around for more than two or three weeks at a time. Seriously how many more fueds is he going to quit and then come back for?

Oh well, blame that on Vince , he's the one who gave Brock $5 million for a limited set of dates...Maybe if WWE didnt have such a stale product they wouldnt have to pay real stars that kinda money to come back for such few dates. Plus most UFc fans arent gonna pay to watch WWE anyway, I dont know what kinda carryover in fanbase you expected.

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Brock and Cena was great.... until the end. Cena going over didn't lead to anything productive for either guy. Cena's promo at the end of the match was just as confusing. Brock taking multiple extended weeks off between appearances doesn't help maintain let alone grow interest for him. The storyline with Triple H was a good idea in theory given the way they were building Brock's character as someone who thinks he's bigger than the WWE with the COO coming out to talk some reason with him only to get attacked by Brock. The execution after that incident was just horrible until Paul Heyman came in to save it from further brutalization. I think their match at SummerSlam was boring and lacking emotion until the final few minutes. They each blew up quickly in the ring, and for some reason tried to have a wrestling match after all of that build about them wanting to tear each other apart once they met in the ring.

Brock can still work in the ring, but he can't be in just a regular wrestling match and he can't keep taking extended periods off from appearing on TV. It makes me care less about him when he returns.

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Honestly i think the product has suffered for the past two years because they are living in the past. While they should be focusing on actual useful stars like Daniel Bryan, Wade Barrett, Dolph ZIggler and the handful of others with legit upside we continue to do shit like Brock Lesnar Returns everyone blows smoke up its ass and it goes nowhere.

I didn't expect anything I've never been a Brock Lesnar fan and I'm still not, for all his talents in the ring he's still a touchy over emotional ass hole who is likely to bail the second he gets bored and I wouldn't have signed him. I said for years he wasn't as big of a deal in wrestling as people said. also it doesn't help that his last UFC fight he got his ass kicked.

Which is the point that you can't build a wrestling character around a guy who shows up a third of the time. It sure as hell wouldn't have helped John Cena to lost to both Lesnar and the Rock and it wouldn't help to lose to Lesnar when he clearly doesn't care enough about being productive for the promtion he works for. If Lesnar lost and was fulltime than this be a valid argument but him losing when he's not around meant nothing just like winning would have

Eh.... Cena losing and taking a few months off would have been beneficial for him. He had been working nonstop for over two years, came off a long program with The Rock and a few months away from the scene to recoup and maybe even change up his character a bit would have been a better move to me..... and before you go off, I don't mean turning him heel. After getting beat up by Lesnar during most of that match only to have Cena win miraculously at the end didn't make any sense for Lesnar or Cena..... especially with Cena saying that he was going leave during that interview at the end only to come back the next night and begin a forgettable program with John Laurinatis..... and a failed one with Tensai.

I would have had Cena lose to Brock convincingly.... leading to Cena taking several months off to face Brock in a rematch at SummerSlam and defeat him. That idea seems more productive to me.... and entertaining.

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I agree as a person and a character Cena could have used the time off. I dont know how much $$$ they would lose from him being off. I dont know how all that works and neither does anyone on this board. I dont think Cena should have beaten Brock, becuase i don't think they should have wrestled yet. Maybe they would have made as much without Cena, i just dont think they wanted to take the chance. Sadly if the body never gets a rest, it tends to force it.

Clearly WWE doesn't think they can survive without Cena or he didn't want to be home its thats simple. But where we are its a sign in my opinion that Lesnar was a doomed act