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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:18 pm 
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I saw XT say TNA would have to be very good for him to watch. To be honest WWE has not been "very good" in a long time.

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XT, this is all based on your opinion of the show and that alone. There are no facts to back anything you are saying.

Dude, almost every thread is you on the attack or the extreme defensive, sometimes you gotta just realize that not everyone thinks like you and move on.


Okay so who's TNA's top star right now?

Who's their number one heel?

Who's their Number one face?

who's their future?

Where are they going?

Bet you can't answer that with a legit answer and thats my point you guys are trying to support TNA which is fine but dont' tell me there better than they were 6 months ago because they aren't. This is a roster full of hacks like Ken Anderson and RVD who aren't being used anymore, Desperate Hasbeens Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan, Overrated talent like AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Matt Morgan, and etc. and young guys who are being given bad advice on a weekly basis. Doesn't seem like TNA is really heading in the right direction.


I could answer those questions and I will if you want me to, but no matter who I put you will pick them apart because of where they work. And no matter who I pick they are just my opinion and shouldn't even bother you at all. If you haven't watched your opinion is based on (admittedly by you) podcast's, spoilers, and your remembrance of TNA.

And you proved what i was saying about always attacking and extreme offensive. You don't answer questions, you just come back with a barrage of more questions, It's just never-ending.


See thats not true because I started Ripping Ken Anderson before he was Ken Anderson, I was ripping AJ Styles 8 years ago go look up in the Xtremeview archieve on In Your Head if its still there I wrote a whole column called Phenominally overrated. So and so forth. Also I watched TNA for 8 of the 10 years its been around and have seen enough of these guys to know whether or not they are good. Unless they magically improved over the past year and half which I doubt I highly doubt my opinoin would be different if I watched.

I give you questions because I know you can't answer them. Which is to make you realize I'm not just throwing shit out. When I say where is TNA going? trust me I have a back up ready to go because I know they don't have a solid plan which is not a good idea for any promotion let alone one that is currently highlighted by 3 guys who were old in the 90s


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I wans't talking about me I was saying it'll take 2 years of good Television before they gain any traction from this hole they dug for themselves. Me I might watch here and there probably not but its going to have to be very good before I waste my time on TNA anymore

Well there in case is my point, you weirdly throw out this base figure which you have yet to distinguish how you came to this period of 2 years, and then you say the products going to have be very good for you to watch it, throwing up the quality needed to grab you as a fan almost like you're above every other fan they'd manage to bring in within this period of time, and then finish off by saying you wont even watch the show which would allow you to judge the quality.


Simple its a time table, TNA right now doesn't have any marquee talents which you now need to build up, so as you build these new "Marquee" stars up with fresh feuds and storylines your company will eventually grow(if there good) but no turn around happened over night. Notice WWE in 2002-2005 clealry now looking back they were trying to build up some new marquee talents to replace thoughs who had retired/left/or whatever else happened. to them. If TNA is serious about turning around its going to take a long time before you get yourself out of the hole Russo and TNA has dug the past 10 years.

Afro I think I've been very clear with this point, I'm not going to watch TNA until I hear its worth my time and coming off Three Straight pay per views that were luke warm reactions at best is not going to grab me as a fan. As for other fans, TNA's problem has always been the fact they garner one group of fans which is you a jaded internet mark who doesn't have a concept of what he's watching which is fine but TNA should want to grow and as someone who's not blinded by the Internet TNA is going to need a hell of a lot more than a couple of decent weeks of Television to grow that fanbase


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I saw XT say TNA would have to be very good for him to watch. To be honest WWE has not been "very good" in a long time.


WWE has been good but its also been rebuilding and actually rebuilding unlike TNA who thinks adding a couple of random guys to the X-Division makes them rebuilding. WWE over the past 3 years have been busy making new stars and they've had their hits like the Nexus Angle and their misses like CM Punk's boring face push but in all of that I can still see a end to a means. When I see TNA I see random shit with no hierachy to what their doing and no goal to reach.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:50 pm 
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Way to make three super long posts there, Tremey.

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Simple its a time table, TNA right now doesn't have any marquee talents which you now need to build up, so as you build these new "Marquee" stars up with fresh feuds and storylines your company will eventually grow(if there good) but no turn around happened over night. Notice WWE in 2002-2005 clealry now looking back they were trying to build up some new marquee talents to replace thoughs who had retired/left/or whatever else happened. to them. If TNA is serious about turning around its going to take a long time before you get yourself out of the hole Russo and TNA has dug the past 10 years.

Afro I think I've been very clear with this point, I'm not going to watch TNA until I hear its worth my time and coming off Three Straight pay per views that were luke warm reactions at best is not going to grab me as a fan. As for other fans, TNA's problem has always been the fact they garner one group of fans which is you a jaded internet mark who doesn't have a concept of what he's watching which is fine but TNA should want to grow and as someone who's not blinded by the Internet TNA is going to need a hell of a lot more than a couple of decent weeks of Television to grow that fanbase

So what you're saying is you'd rather take the opinions of Wrestleview or the Observer than people on here who you converse with about wrestling on a regular basis, and I actually disagree I'm not a jaded internet fan I'm one of those disenfranchised fans which both companies should be trying to goad back into watching their products on a regular basis, the only wrestling I've seen in the last 46 days is the 50 minute Rumble.

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Punk was the only hot thing for WWE in a long time. WWE had no buzz in the mainstream media till The "Summer of Punk" thing. WWE was not good before that and they even fucked that angle up. And they fucked up the Nexus angle way before Punk took the group over.

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I want WWE to be good. It's not my fault that it's terrible.

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No it hasn't a better show doesn't mean a great direction. .


A better show doesnt mean a great direction? Man, you just like to complain..

Try getting some pussy, trust me it works wonders for one's mood.



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:27 pm 
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Punk was the only hot thing for WWE in a long time. WWE had no buzz in the mainstream media till The "Summer of Punk" thing. WWE was not good before that and they even fucked that angle up. And they fucked up the Nexus angle way before Punk took the group over.



What does the WWE being good have to do with TnA being good? Leave it up to some of you to find any post to shit on the WWE in. Lets Flame XT for shitting on TnA!! He doesn't even watch it! By the way WWE is fucking terrible, so bad i haven't seen it in 2 year!

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Terry Taylor wrote:
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Punk was the only hot thing for WWE in a long time. WWE had no buzz in the mainstream media till The "Summer of Punk" thing. WWE was not good before that and they even fucked that angle up. And they fucked up the Nexus angle way before Punk took the group over.



What does the WWE being good have to do with TnA being good? Leave it up to some of you to find any post to shit on the WWE in. Lets Flame XT for shitting on TnA!! He doesn't even watch it! By the way WWE is fucking terrible, so bad i haven't seen it in 2 year!

Makes great sense.


I'm not shitting on WWE, I actually watch WWE and TNA and other wrestling as well.

XT said that TNA would have to be "very good" for him to watch, I just pointed out WWE hasn't been "very good" in a long time.

And since you haven't watched in 2 years you proved my point.

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I think it's weird for someone to have a strong opinion about something they don't watch, as if they are experts on everything that is happening in it. Things like that lead me to believe that you are basing your opinion off the opinion of someone else or you are lying and you do watch the product. Obviously XT has a passion for TNA..... more than anyone here. If he didn't, he wouldn't have dedicated the majority of his posts to something involving TNA. I can't stand reality television. I doubt that I would discuss it negatively on a forum at the rate XT does toward TNA.

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I think it's weird for someone to have a strong opinion about something they don't watch, as if they are experts on everything that is happening in it. Things like that lead me to believe that you are basing your opinion off the opinion of someone else or you are lying and you do watch the product. Obviously XT has a passion for TNA..... more than anyone here. If he didn't, he wouldn't have dedicated the majority of his posts to something involving TNA. I can't stand reality television. I doubt that I would discuss it negatively on a forum at the rate XT does toward TNA.


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So what you're saying is you'd rather take the opinions of Wrestleview or the Observer than people on here who you converse with about wrestling on a regular basis, and I actually disagree I'm not a jaded internet fan I'm one of those disenfranchised fans which both companies should be trying to goad back into watching their products on a regular basis, the only wrestling I've seen in the last 46 days is the 50 minute Rumble.

First off I don't listen to the observer or read the observer so lets get that stretch out of the way dispite this desperate need for some to tie me into them. Also why would i take say this message board's opinion on wrestling serious? Let see
1) Nikhil and others argued that TNA wrestlers were paid well even after I proved that you could make more working at Burger King as a manager. Then a couple weeks later we saw the Jesse Neal Foodstamps tweet.
2) Probably a good 60% of this message board argued that Ric flair wasn't with TNA because he was desperate for money but because he loved the business. 6 month's later a Huge article comes out basically blasting Flair as a irresponsible desperate manchild who has blown his fortune and was working for TNA for the money. Why didn't I bring this evidence to the debate? Oh wait I did including showing a actual video of Ric Flair ripping TNA apart and saying he'd never work for them and the Genius that is Vann said video evidence wasn't proof.
3) Probably all but 3 people on this message say they should turn John Cena heel despite not being able to answer the simple question of who's going to replace, and who would he and the new number one faces feud with after.
4)Spec Sun Swore that Randy Orton was a reasonable #1 Face replacement for John Cena and six months later he went on to have a dead title run on Smackdown as the Number One Face and almost reached Impact Level ratings.
5) I think it was a good 3 or 4 years of being told I was an idiot because I said TNA would be crazy to move to Mondays and when they finally did all you sat there with your thumbs up your asses completely in a daze as to why it failed.
6) I was told i wasn't being fair when I correctly stated that Eric Bishoff and Hulk Hogan would do nothing for TNA and were overrated and I remeber people starting to try and claim that Eric wasn't as responsible for WCW's failures as people made him out to be.
7) This isn't a knock on Jack but during the Wrestling awards in 2010 this is the same show that had Teh Nexus angle voted the best and worst angle of the year
8) Now this wasn't In Your Head's board but I know some members were involved when They gave me shit for rightfully saying the America's Most Wanted wasn't a top 10 tag team
9) Lets see Vann thinks that every match results matters despite no evidence to that point
10) I've seen multiple members refere to wrestling as a sport I mean do I need to say more?

I could keep rolling but i hope you get my point as to why I don't take members of this message board or any for that matter very serious. People are over reactive morons who don't understand the basic concepts of storylines and building characters. They lack complete perspective. Even in your response Afro you made my point that your jaded. You said both companies should be trying ot goad you back into their products and fans like you. Why? Now TNA I can make an argument but WWE? They are a financially successful company that has learned to brand its product and characters to have clear enjoyment of their fanbase. WWE will likely have a 400 Million Dollar Revenue in 2011 and they should be concerned with people like you why?


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Punk was the only hot thing for WWE in a long time. WWE had no buzz in the mainstream media till The "Summer of Punk" thing. WWE was not good before that and they even fucked that angle up. And they fucked up the Nexus angle way before Punk took the group over.


Oh yeah Punk was so hot that after Money in the Bank every Pay Per View he has been champion for has dropped from the previous year. He's not had one profitabe feud, and the TV ratings lets just say left a lot to be desired. That and the fact that he's clearly not garnering a reaction from portions of the fans. The Summer of Punk thing got "buzz" Great but buzz as TNA will learn after Impact's ratings come in doesn't mean shit unless it changes your profit.

WWE has been solid and at times good, over the past 12 months they've been sliding and a lot of that has to do with CM Punk and I think the Rock and Cena being build as the main Event a year out handcuffed a lot of the product. However the difference is as I've said with WWE I can sit here say here is why they did it and where they'd seem to be heading. With TNA thats always been the issue because rarely could fans say this is why they are doing things and this how its going to be.

Regardless WWE's shit smells like roses compared to TNA's. I don't remeber any rape angles on WWE television in the past 2 years I believe TNA has either ran angles or elluded to it Three times now?
ps. I've said it before and I'll say it again if you need to bring up WWE in a TNA debate you lost.

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I think it's weird for someone to have a strong opinion about something they don't watch, as if they are experts on everything that is happening in it. Things like that lead me to believe that you are basing your opinion off the opinion of someone else or you are lying and you do watch the product. Obviously XT has a passion for TNA..... more than anyone here. If he didn't, he wouldn't have dedicated the majority of his posts to something involving TNA. I can't stand reality television. I doubt that I would discuss it negatively on a forum at the rate XT does toward TNA.


See this whole post is worthless why because you act as if I've never watched TNA at all. I watched 8 years out of 10 So your right if you never watched Flavor of Love and but ripped it on forums thats a big weird but 8 years of following a product is not the same as not watching it. Also Spec again half the time I"m not even talking about the TV show I'm asking basic storyline questions that I don't really need to view to know about.


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XT, you are contradicting yourself. You are blaming Russo as head writer for fucking up TNA, then blaming CM Punk for WWE having bad ratings. If you blame the writers then blame them. You can't have it both ways.

Will you ever just admit your opinion of TNA is just jaded, continue not to watch, and stop commenting on things you don't watch?

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I don't see why Nexus being voted best angle and worst angle doesn't make sense. We were all really excited about it when it happened. And we were all disappointed in it after a while.

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XT, you are contradicting yourself. You are blaming Russo as head writer for fucking up TNA, then blaming CM Punk for WWE having bad ratings. If you blame the writers then blame them. You can't have it both ways.

Will you ever just admit your opinion of TNA is just jaded, continue not to watch, and stop commenting on things you don't watch?


Um no I'm not just blaming Vince Russo see go look up my old columns I wrote 5 reasons you can't blame Vince Russo for TNA. Russo is a huge part of what went wrong in this promotion but TNA as a whole is a problem. Their management are morons, their roster is shit, Production is horrible, and their fans are counter productive. Its a whole problem.

As for CM Punk I've never said the writers werent responsible too. Infact I believe I wrote the writers shouldn't have ever created the storyline int he first place because they don't have the talent to maintain it. Seems like a pretty damning attack to me. My point is CM punk isn't helping and writers can't do everything for you. They can't speak for you, they can't wrestle for you, and they can't make you come off like any less of a douche bag.

Now why don't you just admit your upset I'm attacking TNA because you know I've ripped WWE a lot lately yet I haven't see you or anyone else for that matter get upset about that. Its only when I've ripped TNA even when I was watching weekly. Also like I said 8 years of watching TNA guess what I've seen the product probably more than you have


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I don't see why Nexus being voted best angle and worst angle doesn't make sense. We were all really excited about it when it happened. And we were all disappointed in it after a while.


Because in the same breath you called one single angle the worst and best of the year thats why. Its just stupid. Its like saying I love Whitney Houston's I will always Love you but hate the lyric I will always love you.

Also no we all didn't I bet there is a much larger group who liked it to disliked it. Also if you like me to change it, I can. Like in the same breath as people praised the fans reactions for Cena to finally fight back after he joined the Nexus they didn't like the angle.


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ps. I've said it before and I'll say it again if you need to bring up WWE in a TNA debate you lost.


See this is your problem, most of us aren't here to debate or argue. Some of us are just giving our opinion or a quick statement then we move on. You on the other hand over the past 3 days have over 6 threads you are arguing with someone in. Lighten the fuck up. You take this so seriously.

and ps. I don't your need your argumentative bullshit reply.

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ps. I've said it before and I'll say it again if you need to bring up WWE in a TNA debate you lost.


See this is your problem, most of us aren't here to debate or argue. Some of us are just giving our opinion or a quick statement then we move on. You on the other hand over the past 3 days have over 6 threads you are arguing with someone in. Lighten the fuck up. You take this so seriously.

and ps. I don't your need your argumentative bullshit reply.


Dude shut up, this is a message board not lets all hold hands and agree with everything board. Don't like it than don't respond I'm not changing also guess what dumb ass I don't take this very serious. This doesn't mean all that much to me. This is just me burning time throughout my day for my enjoyment. If you can't deal with that than tough shit


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I don't see why Nexus being voted best angle and worst angle doesn't make sense. We were all really excited about it when it happened. And we were all disappointed in it after a while.


Because in the same breath you called one single angle the worst and best of the year thats why. Its just stupid. Its like saying I love Whitney Houston's I will always Love you but hate the lyric I will always love you.

Also no we all didn't I bet there is a much larger group who liked it to disliked it. Also if you like me to change it, I can. Like in the same breath as people praised the fans reactions for Cena to finally fight back after he joined the Nexus they didn't like the angle.

It's not stupid. You can say the NWO was awesome to begin with and crap later on. Just because The Rock is awesome doesn't mean Rocky Maivia was great.

I don't see what's so hard to understand.

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I don't see why Nexus being voted best angle and worst angle doesn't make sense. We were all really excited about it when it happened. And we were all disappointed in it after a while.


Because in the same breath you called one single angle the worst and best of the year thats why. Its just stupid. Its like saying I love Whitney Houston's I will always Love you but hate the lyric I will always love you.

Also no we all didn't I bet there is a much larger group who liked it to disliked it. Also if you like me to change it, I can. Like in the same breath as people praised the fans reactions for Cena to finally fight back after he joined the Nexus they didn't like the angle.

It's not stupid. You can say the NWO was awesome to begin with and crap later on. Just because The Rock is awesome doesn't mean Rocky Maivia was great.

I don't see what's so hard to understand.


Because Rock is Rocky Mavia are two seperate characters. The NWO is a Three year storyline. The Nexus was if you just count the original Wade Barrett run was 6 months. So in six months you went from being the best and worst angle of the year. IT doesn't make sense. There not two seperate things. If your saying well NWO in 1997 was the best angle of the year and NWO 1999 was the worst thats two seperate storylines in two seperate time periods. If you say the Rock was the best characters in 1998 but Rocky Mavia was the worst in 1996 thats again two serperate things. The Nexus was one storyline in six months. So calling it both the best and worst storyline of the year is just goofy as heel in my opinion


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It's not my fault WWE ran through it so quick. The Nexus beginning was awesome, most people loved. I thought it was shit by the time Punk was running it, in fact I think you did too.

Besides it wasn't named by one person, it was voted on by the listeners. Not everyone who vted the best voted it as the worst. In fact I think most people either voted it as best or worst. I know Hurricane used to win best and worst character in the Observer awards too. Cena right now could be voted favorite and most hated.

Brodus Clay could easily be voted best and worst new character. Some people love him some people hate him.

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