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I thought it was a good Raw I thought Tensai looked a little better in the ring ,but man I hate that gimmick. Also is it just me ,but does he always seem to mess up his chokebomb.

Lord Tensai sucks. Overall Raw was bad

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Raw was terrible last night. The crowd sucked and Lord Tensai just sucks in general. Don't give a shit what Albert has been doing in Japan, it's what I see now that counts.
Was good to see Hayman again though.

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Heyman's surprise appearance was the only good thing about this episode. Otherwise it was pretty boring.

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I was having a discussion with someone about this yesterday. I think it's almost impossible to be a big star in Japan and in WWE. It's been done but by very few people. The two are just so different that it's almost not even the same sport/brand of entertainment.

The fans of each are looking for different things. In America if you look like a body builder and you can cut a good promo then you're over. Whereas in Japan it's more about giving the impression that you're a tough guy and being able to hit people really hard. The two styles are just drastically different. So it's hard for people to go back and forth because what works in Japan doesn't work in America and what works in America would make you look silly in Japan.

Also, and this has nothing to do with Albert, the fans in Japan are more respectful. The big name Japanese guys have been around for a while. The fans have seen them go from a total nobody to a big star and therefore they feel connected to them. So by the time a guy in Japan has been around 20 years he's got fans who have followed him for 20 years. They've grown up with that wrestler and they love them unconditionally.

Most American wrestlers don't take that kind of path, at least not that most people are aware of. You never see a guy go from jobber to main event just as a part of the WWE. At least not in this day and age. Therefore American fans have much more of a "what have you done for me lately?" point of view. When a guy has been around 20 years the fans think "this guy is old, he should get out of the way so someone new can take his spot."

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Wow, arguably your best post ever IMO

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MAN UP! Dem Boys!

Who would you say are the guys who have managed to do both Japan and WWE (or American wrestling in general) are ?

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There's not many. As far as Americans in Japan you got Hogan, The Funks, Abdulla, The Sheik, and Stan Hansen and maybe a few others. As far as Japs in America Muta is really the only guy that comes to mind.

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Paul Heyman: "I was miserable in the WWE and I won't go back to have a humiliating job."
"I won't go to TNA unless I become the CEO and own 5%."
"I'm done with wrestling and now I'm working on MMA projects."
"I have no involvement with Brock Lesnar's promos."

What a liar! He's probably on McMahon's bear-skin rug.

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Thats a really good question..yeah Muta is about the only Jap star that really had a somewhat lengthy, high profile run in the U.S, at least in the modern era (from '90 on).... Jushin Thunder Liger had some success, on a smaller, cruiserweight level..

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Liger is more of a special case. He got over because his opponents wrestled his style. He could come over and do a Japanese style match a couple times a year. But he never had a long run and he never was forced to wrestle the American style. I don't think he would have been able to do either of those things and be successful.

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I think you could argue the Great Kabuki

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Kabuki had actually been wrestling over here as an underneath guy until Gary Hart made him the Great Kabuki.

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I didn't think the show was that bad. I've learned to keep low expectations, then an ok show seems better.

Great to see Heyman back for as long or short of a time he is back.

Lord Tensai needs to do something. His ring gear, his slow style, his weird facial expressions...it's just off to me.

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Playboy bringing the facts. Suck it, Bill.

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I don't think that changes my point... once he became Kabuki he had a run over here and took it back to Japan with success.

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Hmmm......well payed, Sir. Well played indeed.

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I thought the show was bad and the crowd was just as worse. Paul Heyman returning with a promo was surprising and was the only element I felt was any good. Too bad the crowd didn't make it seem that way.

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Hiro Matsuta, Tatsumi Fujinami and Masahiro Chono are three other Japanese wrestlers that you can argue had big impacts in the states during the time of their wrestling in the States.

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But were they top guys in the US? I'm talking about someone who was a main eventer in both Japan and in the US. Hiro is debatable. I don't much at all about Fujinami so I can't comment. But Chono absolutely dose not fit into that category. He's a name hardcore fans would know but he never really did anything special in the US.

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Masahiro Chono
Masato Tanaka

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Im not sure you guys are looking at this right...

if it was like the SAT it would be like:


Terry Funk is to Japanese Wrestling as (Jap Wrestler) is to American Wrestling...

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Maybe Vader ,but then again they let him work more or less the same style in WCW.

Hiro was a big name in the states during the 70s and 80s in Florida. He even owned a piece of Florida Championship Wrestling, main evented shows and trained several stars.

Fujinami's biggest feud in the states was with Flair, but it was pretty much just two big matches (one in Japan and the other in the US at SuperBrawl '91). He had a short run with the E during the late 70s. Out of the three, he had the lesser impact.

Chono was over pretty big around 1992 and early 1993 in WCW with the fans. It was nothing monumental, but his reign as NWA World Champion was received well here.

Out of the three, I suppose you can say that Hiro was the biggest star in the US.

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Bill makes a good point. I'm not trying to knock anybody. I'm just saying it's near impossible to be a major main event player in both Japan and the US. That doesn't mean Japanese wrestlers are better or that American wrestlers are better. It just mean different thing are expected from each of them.

Spec you make some good points but I still have to disagree with Chono. I loved him, thought he was great. But he was not at the same level in the US as he was in Japan.

Also, the argument could be made for Vader. I think he falls into that category of guys. Although I will say he didn't have the success in the US that he did in Japan.

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