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after monday nights ratings there has been talk of a decline of vieweres viewing wwe product with-in the networks with ppv buyrates at an alltime low and tv raitings down there has been so much delay with the network deal that it will be anounced in the next few weeks that the network will end before it has even started

word around tna on this situation is xt suck on that bro

WWE is reportedly alarmed at the low rating that Raw received this week. The show did a 2.7 rating, the lowest number of the year, and the big topic of discussion in the company was that as opposed to Randy Orton's suspension.

While the rating was hurt by several factors including Memorial Day, the record-breaking debut of Hatfields & McCoys and the NBA playoffs, officials were reportedly concerned that the CM Punk/Daniel Bryan match lost viewers and that the Alberto Del Rio/Santino Marella match was the lowest quarter hour rating that the show has had in years.

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

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you have the Hatfields and McCoys special doing amazing numbers, its a Holiday, you have NBA finals and again you won't find a ton of examples of me putting over CM punk as Champion. I think the belt should have been off him months ago

regardless i'd have a minor concern but not a huge one especially since its the summer

If they're gonna book the WWE title as a midcard title, it really doesn't matter who has it, so I don't think Punk having it or not makes much of a difference... I say get it off him too and at least have someone who they actually use as a true main eventer... If that's Cena, then so be it...

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I don't think he's the midcard champion because they booked it that way I just don't think his feuds work. Look we can go back and forth about the execution but especially since November he has been incredibly boring him and Jericho had to be the most useless feud since Christian vs. Orton two years ago. just nothing of value happened between these two and I don't think its because Cena didn't have the belt I just don't think Punk's character or Jericho for that matter were all that interesting

I agree about the feuds. They started out w/ Ace (and Ziggler as an afterthought) and that was awful. And then there's the overly melodramatic stuff w/ Jericho, but you were intimating that Punk as champ could be an underlying factor in the decline... but no matter who the feuds were with or how they turned out, all of those feuds were booked underneath other stuff, with the champ literally in the middle of the card (midcard) most of the time.

When Brock came back they even talked about Brock wanting to take Cena's spot as "top dog". If he's the top dog and is being booked as such, he should probably be champ...

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well if you have The Rock vs. Cena and Cena vs. Brock you have to expect thats going to be the head feud sometimes its happens. The feuds though I mean I wouldn't have him headlining if I was WWE either, the character was just a snarky douche and the feuds especially with Jericho were so boring. I think Mark Henry should have been CM Punk's main feud because at leasat though matches were some of Punk's best work

That's all well and good, but you've still got a title rendered midcard by circumstance... Therefore its champion is essentially a midcard champion... Cena/Rock/Brock/whoever may not need the title, but I think the title needs them....

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Donny: "It's Dirk fucking Benedict!"... Dirk: "I seldom use my middle name."

Well right now If I was going to choose a champion I'd say it should be Big Show that way you can build up Show vs. CM Punk at Summerslam I think though two in reverse roles could have a good run like they did a few years back. That or hand it off to Mark Henry if he's coming back soon

Source: F4WOnline

- While Randy Orton's suspension was the big news on Wednesday, what had everyone in a panic at WWE headquarters was the low 2.7 RAW Supershow rating.

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Honestly the 2.7 rating is a small worry but realistically you had a monster hit with the Hatfields & McCoys special and its a Holiday I don't know what else you can really say. If anything Raw right now needs to come up with somehting to do with its Midcard because as Usual The Raw writing team is doing their epic failures

Whatever, as long as they put it on someone that they actually treat as the "top dog" and are not afraid to put in main events...

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I think usually they would if it had a stronger Champion and didn't have the huge Main Events, I mean if you did Jericho vs. CM punk at Wrestlemania 28 over Cena vs. Rock we'd all think you'd be an idiot

Logic would dictate that your champion should be either the "strongest" guy in the promotion, or feuding with the "strongest"... If they don't feel their champ is strong enough, either take it off him make him stronger... I thinks it's pretty simple.

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Donny: "It's Dirk fucking Benedict!"... Dirk: "I seldom use my middle name."

logic would dictate that Rock vs. Cena was your Main Event draw of the show and if you had the belt on Cena everyone on this message board and pretty much 75% of the IWC would be complaining that it was another boring JOhn Cena Title run and why is a guy who isn't on Television weekly in the Main Event.

WWE learned from the Wrestlemania 25 and 18 disasters that sometimes its just smarter to put the non-title match to close the show or your doomed to crickets. Don't believe me? Go watch Wrestlemania 25 and 18's main events after Rock vs. Hogan and HBK vs. Undertaker

Which is why I say I think the title needs the guys that are in those main events... I have no problem with Cena/Rock as the main event. I'm not talking about one show (the thread isn't even about WrestleMania)... Like I said, you were intimating that Punk as champ could be a reason (possibly even a small one... I know, Hatfield and McCoys, Memorial Day, yadda, yadda, yadda) in the Raw ratings... But you said it. It seems odd to me that someone might think that could be a factor when he as champion hasn't been the main focus or presented as the most important... If the title doesn't matter, why does it matter that Punk has it? Why would he having that title factor into the ratings even in the slightest?

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Donny: "It's Dirk fucking Benedict!"... Dirk: "I seldom use my middle name."

It was Memorial Day, the Hatfields and McCoys was on, schools were letting out for summer that week, a new flea market opened up down the street, the gas stations closed at 10, a lot of people had to make another beer run since they ran out during the cookout, the weather was nice in a lot of places so the people didn't want to sit inside and watch TV...

And a lot of people just didn't want to see it.

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I think the title does matter its just Punk isn't and hasn't connected with a major portion of the audience for a while now. Even the side that was defending him last year when he wasn't really all that interesting last Fall. Now as I've said that could be for a number of reasons including CM Punk's feuds not being good and I think the blame goes to the writers, the over expectations, and CM Punk Himself just not performing up to the level he should have.

I really think that Daniel Bryan, Zack Ryder, and CM Punk segment after I believe it was TLC was when it started to go downhill because that segment just went over like a fart in elevator.

Whether you think Punk hasn't connected or not is kinda irrelevant here... You mentioned him as champion, along with several other factors, as a reason the ratings might be down, but both he and the title are pretty much positioned midcard and have been his entire reign. His positioning - a positioning that was a result of fear of low ratings in the first place - shouldn't really be a factor in any loss of viewership. Just odd that he would be the only talent called out when he's not even the main focus of the show...

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Donny: "It's Dirk fucking Benedict!"... Dirk: "I seldom use my middle name."

There is a huge number of reasons the ratings are stalled but as I said before CM Punk is a chunk of that since go back and look ratings really started to slide after Summerslam last year when he was really being pushed hard, but like I said there are other reasons for the struggle, the midcard booking has been horrible, and the feuds haven't been very good past a handful. and I think were both saying the same thing because Punk is the champion and your arguign the belt shouldn't be midcarding and I think he's the reason its midcarding.

Having not watched wwe programming in several weeks, I find it odd that you would position your company champion to mid card status on your program regardless who had the belt. The belt continues to be cheapened to the point it won't matter who carries the strap even your top tier guys because it won't mean anything. And I know to many it's just a tool, blah blah whatever...it's supposed to represent the top tier of your company

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but if your champion clearly can't carry the load then what do you do? If your honest with youself you know the moment WWE has Cena get the belt back it'll be another more of hte same argument you can't have it both ways

the booking sucks, how is Cena bigger then CM Punk? you think they were practically undermining Punk with their writing. He is the anti-authority figure, NOT John Cena. Pretty simple stuff. It's pretty lame booking IMO. so why is Johnny Ace feuding with Cena?

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I agree with that Taso I said it when it started that punk vs. Ace was the better choice, I'm not really defending Cena vs. Ace only that it should have main evented Over the Limit over Punk vs. Danielson because the lack of build up between the two

yeah maybe punk vs ace and his cronies, and cena vs daniel bryan

but i eventually want cena vs punk

but then again they screwed up with brock lesnar anyways

lesnar with a tainted win over cena would have made more sense to me

i am still in the dark about lesnar's status with wwe but i was sure to watch when he was on TV, so to me its a loss every time he isnt out there

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1. 1946~1972-Rikidozan & JWA
2. 82-83 WRESTLING OLYMPIC AUDITORIUM
3. Hustle XMas '07
4. Stampede Wrestling '61
5. TWA Autumn Armageddon '91
6. IWCCW DvD3
7. Ric Flair in Portland
8. TWA Summer Sizzler 1990