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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:25 pm 
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I just heard Obama speak, can someone explain to me what the "affordable" part means in the affordable health care act?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:27 pm 
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Madman Maple wrote:
I just heard Obama speak, can someone explain to me what the "affordable" part means in the affordable health care act?


It means you (or me) can't afford it. I think :hmm:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:32 pm 
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Basically what it means is you have more options for Health Care and Insurance companies can no longer drop you because your sick, have a pre exesisting Condition, etc...


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:12 pm 
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It means you have to pay the same private health care system as you do now by law, whilst a bunch of cool aid supporters spout talking points about it really being 'public' health care. It's like saying Federal Express is federal.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:33 pm 
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It means you have to pay the same private health care system as you do now by law, whilst a bunch of cool aid supporters spout talking points about it really being 'public' health care. It's like saying Federal Express is federal.

Who said it was Public health care? The main value of this law is the fact insurance companies can no longer tell someone they can't cover them because of stuff like a woman once being pregnate. seriously insurance companies denied coverage to a woman because she once was pregnate


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It means you have to pay the same private health care system as you do now by law, whilst a bunch of cool aid supporters spout talking points about it really being 'public' health care. It's like saying Federal Express is federal.

Who said it was Public health care? The main value of this law is the fact insurance companies can no longer tell someone they can't cover them because of stuff like a woman once being pregnate. seriously insurance companies denied coverage to a woman because she once was pregnate


That's what it was originally billed as and pushed as. Man, people have short memories.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:11 pm 
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Yeah most progressives and Democrates wanted a single payer option or Public option but that was dropped before the bill was ever passed, its not a public health care option, what the bill is supposed to do is make it more avaliable, and people to have access regardless of how much they make, sadly there is still I believe over 26 million uncovered but hopefully this law will be a beginning to universal coverage.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:46 pm 
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Nobody wanted this. It will do more harm than good for anyone and for public health care. It's jusr Romney Care on a national level.

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You Americans have such a weird political landscape.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:08 pm 
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MSN.com had a poll, asking if the Supreme Court had made the right decision. 60% had answered no, 32% yes, and 8% didn't know. That was a few hours ago, so of course, it could have changed I guess.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:48 pm 
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It means I am forced to pay for health insurance, or have to pay a fine. Instead of just paying medical expenses as they come up like I do now. Now of course if I get really sick or injured I'll be better off but thus far I've saved a lot of money by paying out of pocket for the occasional medical expense instead of spending hundreds on insurance I don't use.

Romneycare had problems but my understanding is the Obama version is even worse with fewer minorly helpful provisions.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:54 pm 
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As someone who loves in Ma. It's the same concept. You have to buy insurance or be fined. It's not a plan anyone wanted.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:14 pm 
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Oh, just give everyone free healthcare and be done with it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:16 pm 
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Oh, just give everyone free healthcare and be done with it.


That'd be the best outcome... but we really don't want to talk about this

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The affordable care act is actually designed to provide either 1. a cheaper health care option so that those of us who cannot afford it can actually get it or 2. If you still cannot afford it you will qualify for a federal subsidy that will pay for it. Plus access to free preventative care and tests so that big problems can be detected early. And all of this backed by a mandate that healthcare companies cannot deny you based on a pre existing condition. By the time it is in full effect, less than a million people will sit in the loophole where they don't buy care but make to much to qualify for the subsidy. So 30 million un insured americans or less than a million? If you were left with over 150,00 dollars in bills from your fathers losing battle with cancer (like I am) you might realize that affordable healthcare, preventative care, and government help for those who can't get it are GOOD things and will save dollars and lives. But that's just my opinion...


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:03 pm 
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President Clinton wrote:
LudvigBorga wrote:
Oh, just give everyone free healthcare and be done with it.


That'd be the best outcome... but we really don't want to talk about this


Or just tax the Goldman Sachs, J.P Morgan just 1% on their trades (a tobin tax) -- currently, they are taxed zero on them -- on their quadrillions of money made out of thin air. Trust me, taxing some guy that makes $100,000 + a year ain't gonna fix trillions of dollars in deficit and 1.5 quadrillion of toxic derivatives.

Also, they need to reapply protectionism. Have Chinese, and other countries', imports taxed a certain amount of money, so that production isn't entirely shipped out to slave labour camps in China etc, and so American made products can become competitive once more.

What you want to do is create high wage jobs, work to create and bolster the middle class. When that happens, there's more money to spend that's actually tied to a tangible economy. And, when there's more money to spend, that in turn creates more jobs.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:09 pm 
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There were so many better ways to get more people covered with affordable healthcare, as opposed to this plan...But this debate was never really about healthcare from the start, it was about expanding the government's reach even further, and creating a larger voter bloc of dependents.

I still dont think it will ever go into effect anyway...

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Afro wrote:
You Americans have such a weird political landscape.


Yup

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You're also going to be "forced" to buy health insurance or face fines.How much $ the fines will be for not having health insurance isn't decided yet I don't believe.

Sucks for people who can't afford health insurance and getting fined for not having it and thus making it harder to get it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:23 am 
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I repeat: If you cannot afford healthcare, the government will pay for it under this plan. How many people on this post have actually read the affordable care act? It's readily available, or is everyone practicing the american tradition of arguing points we don't actually have the facts on? Read up kids...


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:53 am 
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Madman Maple wrote:
I just heard Obama speak, can someone explain to me what the "affordable" part means in the affordable health care act?


This is the problem we have today. Everyone wants a short concise one paragraph explanation of everything. If you really care about it, hit the net and start reading, and reading, and reading. There is no simple explanation of the ramifications of this law, or how best to improve our health care system. If you really want answers, roll up your sleeves and start investigating.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:29 am 
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I was rather hoping they'd strike down the mandate to buy health insurance.Apparently if you don't pay your penalty fine that could reach up to thousands a year you'll have the IRS after you since they're going to be counting the fine as a "tax".


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:50 am 
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Jack wrote:
Nobody wanted this. It will do more harm than good for anyone and for public health care. It's jusr Romney Care on a national level.

Just spoke with a higher up at fed ex today about all this during a casual conversation. FedEx has already put plans into effect expecting the worse from this healthcare bill. 13% of fedexs overall income is spent on healthcare for their employees (an let me tell you their benifits are pretty uncanny) they've already decided if this bill takes effect to just pay the fines to the gov. and drop all coverage and leave their employees hanging because they save money 8% on paying it by doing so.

Way to go with this one USA... the above just about sums up how fd this entire 'great plan' is

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The gov seems to be the one getting rich from all I can tell of this crap

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:07 am 
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Well I am currently covered even though I work a small job at a college as a National Honor Student so laws not all that bad. I'm not in love with the bill the best option is healthcare for everyone but considering the Republican party spent 3 years of time and effort get rid of the bill(Even though most of it is their idea) you have to start somewhere and this was probably their best option.


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